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Desolation · Sep 30, 2009, 04:41 AM // 04:41

What hero way works well with Warrior?

thx

MercenaryKnight · Sep 30, 2009, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Discordway works with any set up. You can also run arkfenway to add in damage. For discordway you can make a curse necromancer with enfeebling blood/ weaken armor and shadow of fear/ suffering to meet the requirements. That way you can run earth shaker, sy spammer with dslash or you can do the requirements and be a w/a caller for easier areas.

M @ T · Sep 30, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

General Sabway works great for me or Racway. All you have to do then is run Earfshakur, DSlash Godmode, or whatever bar+SY.

Sabway was horked better for me, but I wouldn't recommend Discordway to be honest. It is better used on a caster/4-energy-regeneration class.

Daesu · Sep 30, 2009, 07:23 AM // 07:23

I tried everything from Sabway, discordway, Racway, ROJWay, and many others for my warrior.

The BEST so far that I have found in terms of synergy with my warrior and overall effectiveness in HM, is this:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

MercenaryKnight · Sep 30, 2009, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Just gonna say that discordway works "best" with any class of character. Physical or caster, spike damage is spike damage. If you don't bring a hex/ condition just make a discord hero supply the requirements.

I can run an p/a caller and be just as efficient as a caster. Or I can run imbagon and they will still spike easily. Sabway is really bad now that discordway is possible. They will spiteful spirit the target your knocking down, attacking/ killing etc. thus wasting a main source of damage.

But most likely the spiritway type build will do great. I used it for hell's precipice earlier and lich at the end went down quick and easy.

jonnieboi05 · Sep 30, 2009, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Please stop recommending discord and "sab"way.... It only breeds more people who are bad at Guild Wars and think they are actually good.

The first step in making people better in GW is to stop recommending the same thing over and over and over and over^2 again.

... Seriously... Wtf?

On-topic: If you know your skills and what is and is not effective, then, I recommend 1 RoJ (w/ the staple skills) w/ Strength of Honor and Judge's Insight, a Jagged Bones MM w/ Death Nova and Withering Aura, and a Heal Monk/or/Spirit Spam Ritualist.

I won't tell you how to play the bars or do I have the will power at 7am to post them for you. But, I will entrust you, if you decide to, to learn what the listed bars above are and how to run them effectively alongside your warrior. Effective originality > PvX afterall. ;D .(...No way... everything > PvX xD)

~LeNa~

MercenaryKnight · Sep 30, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Let's see, sabway/ discordway will be recommended because hero ai can abuse them good enough. He was asking for good- decent hero builds that can make an area easier. Instead of telling him "take 1 RoJ, 1 minion master and 1 healer" which is generic advice. Instead of the RoJ he could run a rit/mo with channeling for splinter weapon and still bring boon of creation + SoS along with soh.

The fact is it works decently, sure it isn't optimal for every area/ mission but for most of them it gets the job done.

If you want to criticize sabway and discordway, be my guest. Just make a thread to tear it apart. They will be recommended countless times because, they work good enough for most places.

Warrior can run a physway type build with orders and generally paragon heroes or whatever physicals you want as well. Just figure out if you want caster oriented support or physical party.

jonnieboi05 · Sep 30, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Let's see, sabway/ discordway will be recommended because hero ai can abuse them good enough. He was asking for good- decent hero builds that can make an area easier. Instead of telling him "take 1 RoJ, 1 minion master and 1 healer" which is generic advice. Instead of the RoJ he could run a rit/mo with channeling for splinter weapon and still bring boon of creation + SoS along with soh.

The fact is it works decently, sure it isn't optimal for every area/ mission but for most of them it gets the job done.

If you want to criticize sabway and discordway, be my guest. Just make a thread to tear it apart. They will be recommended countless times because, they work good enough for most places.

Warrior can run a physway type build with orders and generally paragon heroes or whatever physicals you want as well. Just figure out if you want caster oriented support or physical party.

And my S.Spammer already takes Splinter Weapon.... You recommendation wouldn't do anything at all except for remove my RoJ smiter and leave me with an empty hero spot...

I play a KD bar w/ my warrior that dishes out ~500 dmg alone in a 4 1/2 seconds. RoJ isn't needed, true, but it ensures I will be guaranteed to kill whatever I am targeting for.

Anyways... It's up to the OP to decide what he wants to do. I can't convince anyone to be genuine, right? That alone is reserved for their decision-making.

~LeNa~

dfscott · Sep 30, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

I tried everything from Sabway, discordway, Racway, ROJWay, and many others for my warrior.

The BEST so far that I have found in terms of synergy with my warrior and overall effectiveness in HM, is this:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

This. I find it very effective and it also don't require a special build for the player.

Ccat · Sep 30, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

Please stop recommending discord and "sab"way.... It only breeds more people who are bad at Guild Wars and think they are actually good.

The first step in making people better in GW is to stop recommending the same thing over and over and over and over^2 again.

... Seriously... Wtf?

~LeNa~

Don't fix what isn't broken amirite?

I won't say I'm exempt from stealing other builds. I just take what I don't like about them and mix it up, plus take what's best for the area. I don't think it makes me a bad gw player to do this.

Also, Discordway is slow as hell without a caller. Usually the heroes are too busy scratching their balls doing PwK or some other healing spell, casting hexes when it's a condition that's needed to fulfill Discord etc. The only person you can trust when running a build like this is yourself - Warriors are ok for running Discord, albeit recommended you bring WE or other e-management to spam Asuran Scan. There's the Hex, and Warrior's have tons of conditions *dismemberdismemberdismember*. Ideally Necromancers + Assassins use Discord, but it's totally manageable with a Warrior.

Daesu · Sep 30, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Ccat

Warriors are ok for running Discord, albeit recommended you bring WE or other e-management to spam Asuran Scan. There's the Hex, and Warrior's have tons of conditions *dismemberdismemberdismember*. Ideally Necromancers + Assassins use Discord, but it's totally manageable with a Warrior.

But really you have to think whether you are adapting the heroes to your character or your character to the heroes. I can't help but cringe whenever I think about staff wielding warriors with loads of armor and only 2 energy regen, in the backline trying to use the pvx recommended 10e pve skills.

Are you really playing your warriors correctly as they are meant to be played? Are you really playing to the strengths of a warrior rather than to the weaknesses of a warrior? Why are you even playing a warrior then, dont you rather play a necro instead? These are the questions I have in my mind. Furthermore, discordway is just a generic build and not the best possible build for any particular area. Even in terms of generic 3-heroes builds, there are now better ones that can challenge discordway in HM effectiveness if you consider defense/offense and the areas themselves.

Please stop suggesting discordway to warriors, there ARE better generic 3-heroes builds for warriors that can perform a lot better than just "manageable with a Warrior".

Accursed · Sep 30, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47

An Arcane Zeal, with Dark Fury, derivsh works wonders with a warrior.

Ccat · Sep 30, 2009, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

Please stop suggesting discordway to warriors, there ARE better generic 3-heroes builds for warriors that can perform a lot better than just "manageable with a Warrior".

You are right about that, but the way OP said 'hero way' made it sound like he was only talking about 'excellent' category build from PvX or in meta. imo Discord works the best for versatility, so I just naturally suggested that. A DSlash Warrior with SoH and orders can probably match the damage of Discord, and be more fun. Think you misunderstood the rest of my post though.

Daesu · Sep 30, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Ccat

You are right about that, but the way OP said 'hero way' made it sound like he was only talking about 'excellent' category build from PvX or in meta. imo Discord works the best for versatility, so I just naturally suggested that. A DSlash Warrior with SoH and orders can probably match the damage of Discord, and be more fun. Think you misunderstood the rest of my post though.

There are now better 'hero way' that are as effective or even more effective than discordway, especially when synergizing with a warrior.

Without a caller, discordway doesn't work as well, so it imposes certain build on the character, unlike other generic 'hero way'.

I apologize if I have misunderstood the rest of your post, some people have been recommending warriors to play the role of the "gimped 2 energy regen caster" to optimize discordway, rather than the buffed up super warrior that real warriors are meant to be.

Athrun Feya · Oct 01, 2009, 12:01 AM // 00:01

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User:Athru...ro_Melee_Setup

I run this. Combines strong and brave physical buffs with familiar prots, heals and minions of sabway.

Ccat · Oct 01, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

There are now better 'hero way' that are as effective or even more effective than discordway, especially when synergizing with a warrior.

Without a caller, discordway doesn't work as well, so it imposes certain build on the character, unlike other generic 'hero way'.

I apologize if I have misunderstood the rest of your post, some people have been recommending warriors to play the role of the "gimped 2 energy regen caster" to optimize discordway, rather than the buffed up super warrior that real warriors are meant to be.

Ah yes I get it now. I remember running the Discord template on my Paragon, and even with the basic skills I still couldn't keep up the energy. Like I say melee's should theoretically be really good at Discord because they're good with conditions, and then there's Asuran Scan for the Hex. But, you are right Discord shouldn't really be forced with Warrior because they excel at single target-high DPS, and Discord kind of sucks all that use away.

Daesu · Oct 01, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccat

Ah yes I get it now. I remember running the Discord template on my Paragon, and even with the basic skills I still couldn't keep up the energy. Like I say melee's should theoretically be really good at Discord because they're good with conditions, and then there's Asuran Scan for the Hex. But, you are right Discord shouldn't really be forced with Warrior because they excel at single target-high DPS, and Discord kind of sucks all that use away.

Not every warrior skill inflicts conditions so if you want to inflict conditions because you feel the need to synergize with discordway then you are already letting discordway impose on your character's build when you can just use Spiritway and synergize with barbs and splinter weapon instead. Asuran Scan is another build imposition on a pve skill slot.

If you need to be a hex caller to use discord effectively than you might as well play a N/A with AP. Wouldn't that be more effective with discordway than a warrior? If the answer is yes, then it becomes obvious that necros synergize with discordway better and warriors synergize with spiritway better because otherwise it would imply warriors are ALWAYS inferior to necros which is not the case. Each class has its own strengths and weaknesses, you should choose a hero build that synergize with your warrior's strengths (e.g. buffing physical damage) rather than his weaknesses (e.g. energy).

KingCrab · Oct 01, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daesu

I tried everything from Sabway, discordway, Racway, ROJWay, and many others for my warrior.

The BEST so far that I have found in terms of synergy with my warrior and overall effectiveness in HM, is this:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

Agreed! I only have a warrior and I find this sort of build to be most effective.

**Marty Silverblade** · Oct 01, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I've found Spiritway to be superior to everything else, and more fun, not that that seems to matter to most people now.

marmar256 · Oct 03, 2009, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Hmm its all about having fun, who cares how many times you fail if your having fun then your doing it right

To be honest just run what suits you, experiment, but over all you cant look past sabway for a start as it will teach you the basics of a team.
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